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Alex Ortner
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Alex Ortner

Alex is a father, entrepreneur, and the driving force behind Instead of College. With decades of real-world business experience, he's on a mission to give his sons — and every young person — the tools to build a life worth living.

Malakai Ortner
Co-Host

Malakai Ortner

Malakai is a young entrepreneur and co-founder of Instead of College. He's building real-world skills, wealth, and freedom — all without following the traditional college path.

Lucas Ortner
Co-Host

Lucas Ortner

Lucas is a young entrepreneur and co-founder of Instead of College. He brings curiosity, energy, and a fresh perspective to every conversation about building a life on your own terms.

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EPISODE 1

Instead of College Podcast - Episode 1

Alex, Malakai, and Lucas sit down for the very first episode of Instead of College. They talk about why they started this podcast, what school never taught them, and the real-world lessons that are shaping their futures. Raw, unfiltered, and real...

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What We Talk About

Every episode is a real conversation — no scripts, no fluff.

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Building Wealth

Real financial education — investing, business, money mindset, and creating multiple income streams early.

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Health & Fitness

Physical and mental health habits that set you up for a lifetime of energy and resilience.

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Character & Values

Integrity, discipline, gratitude, and the qualities that matter more than any degree.

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Entrepreneurship

Starting businesses, learning to sell, solving problems, and thinking like an entrepreneur.

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Mindset & Growth

How to think differently, overcome fear, and develop an unstoppable growth mindset.

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Family & Relationships

Honest conversations about family, friendship, and building the relationships that matter most.

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